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Season 1, Episode · 1 year ago

Growth with Collaboration with LT. Kellie Hall

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Have you been wanting to work with others to grow your brand or knowledge of a new industry? Kellie Hall, Lieutenant in the Navy & contestant for Miss California USA tells her empowering story and how collaborating with others has helped mold her career. Kellie talks all about breaking the stereotype, not being afraid to ask, working for free and so many much more! If you'd like to follow Kellie on her journey to Miss California USA @misscausa, follow her on instagram: @kellierenehall or @lieutenanthall  --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/rita-bautista/message

You're listening to empowerment and allthat podcast, your favorite podcast for women's empowerment, hosted byRETABAUTISTA it's time to be reminded of the authority of your inner goddessand elevate the power within. Are you ready welcome back to another episode ofempowerment and all that your favorite podcast for female empowerment ontoday's show will be talking about growing through collaboration and myguest today is Kelly Hall. She is currently serving as an active duty,lieutenant in the navy and is also a candidate for Miss California, USA,Kelly thanks so much for joining me today, Dathey so much treata so excitedto be here with you, yeah me too. So my God Kelly. You have such an amazingstory to tell and one of the things that I'm pretty sure people are alreadywondering it's like how does someone who is in the Navy, get involved withbecoming a contestant from Miss California? Ah, yes, her masis all thetime, it's so funny because it was not calculated. It was not by design mykind of adventure o t padantree started on this very topic of collaboration four years ago now, over four years ago.I just you know I was already on this path of wanting to kind of personallydevelop andselfdevelop and do something a little bit more difficult. But Ididn't know what yet- and I was Breing r being sent to columbsOhio for my next Tud station in the navy reinventing the wheels making.Friends is not something that I'm for into so I saw commercial for MissAmerica and I was like that's a good idea, and so I just so happened toGoogle like Ohio competitions for pageants, not knowing like anydifference between this USSA, Miss America and so right away. I mean first week of livingin Ohio. I applied be a part of Missohi USA. I had to get approval for the Mabe and ended upcompeting, and I just knew it would be such a great way to meet people. Thewas number one reason why I did Miss Ohiwo, Yowas say just start, and I accomplished that I competed myfirst year and I had a great time and I ment my e current best friend that wayit was all amazing, but this whole aspect of, like empowerment, came frombeing in the pageant and being the navy which I was not expecting. The responsewas like completely celebrated and the people loved it theywere, like that'samazing, being the Navy Baing it a pageant. You know that seninenity beingdisplayed, so that's why I continue doing it and it definitely is notalways an easy ride, but it kind of just fell into my lap. So that's whynow I'm stationed, in Los Angeles, California, I've only been here forabout a month and a half two months, but I decided to compete in MissCalifornia, USA in January, so you're just jumping right in you, didn't evenwait for the dit and to set on exactly well I'm originally from California. SoI was like. Oh I'm not forignto the state. Let's just go for it here rightright, so you mentioned that it didn't come without some challenges, so wouldhave been some of the things that you've been able to overcome, whileobviously you know being in the navy and also which most people don't lookat as like the most feminine Ar they a little bit more feminie than the otherbranches, but still it yeah vary. So what challenges have you faced being inthe military and wanting to pursue patentry...

...a lie, and I think, first and foremost, when you are approaching anything, thenMi create a low adversity. You need to remember your intentions and why you'redoing it and then second, you need to have people around you who aresupporting and encouraging you. So you know I had into pageantrycompletely just with an open heart, open mind wanting to do something harder and challengingmore difficult, but also wanting to make friends, and so initially, when Isigned up for Miss Ohio in two thousand and sixteen, my headshot went liveonline and I experienced just an exraordinary amount of cybribling.People were just like you're. If you're in the navy, youshould not Bein a pageant, you're, never going to be taken seriously, butthere are more important issues to you know in the military and in theworld. Right now been stayding on Stagi an Vikini, and that was just completelyunexpected for me, because I wasn't doing a pagent for like attention orfor marketing. I was doing it because I wanted to do it because it was. It wasdifficult, and so I knew right then I was like. Oh,this is not going to be an easy journey moving forward, but as is so much inlife, there's going to be know, people who disagree with Thour decisions, youjust have to remember why you're doing it- and hopefully it's all for positivereasons, and then, at the end of the day, I hadan amazing circle of mentors and friends. Coaches who are like no go forit like we need someone like you in the military who's lieutenant who's outthere proving you can do both. So, if not, you then Ho- and I was like Ryou're right like if'- not me that now, so I just continue to kind of channelthat and all that I do, whether it's pageantary or building a business orwearing makeup in uniform, which you would not even believe that that's likea huge decision every day, like some people, are terrified to were makeup inuniform because of like the backlash that you get so I've just been like.You know what, if I cun stay on stage and compete in a Pagat, I could doanything from Thi Po forward. Absolutely. I love the level ofconfidence that you have when you're talking about this, because thanks youknow it's. Sometimes it takes a little while for women to fall into that spaceof femininity and experiencing how it feels to be. I mean I don't even knowthat I would be confident enough to be in a bikini on stage right now, but youknow I mean what I love about those pageants I've been watching them, sinceI was really little with like know the questions that they ask and it's alwayslike these women are really just so busy doing some really amazing things. So can you can you tell us a little bitabout what it takes to be someone who actually competes like whatare the personalities that you've seen and all these women that you've metalong the way? Well, it's so cliche, but even just to be competing is like amazing Lut. These women are astounding.U They're so accomplished. They're, obviously beautiful on the outside, butthe stuff that they're doing in their community and their education and theirprofessional careers is incredible, and I didn't realize that at first you know.I too had that, like Sandrabol mentality of everyone's an idiot, youknow like othere, just paces, and then I competed- and I was like oh my gosh,like she getting her doctorate she's, getting her masters, she's a lawyer,she's a resident and then I'm walking on stage of graduate S Naval AchambingSim, like Oh, you know, I'm shattering that stereotype of what people think ofpassion- girls as well, so at the end of the day like to win it has to youhave to be you no really have to do all of it and be the whole package. So notjust are you doing amazing things in your personal life and professionalize,but you have to be that motivational speaker public speaker. You have to bekind of a woman of the people and...

...represent that state. Well, so it's it's a lot for sure, but anywoman whos standing on that stage like they already are someone to be admired because it takesso much confidence just to did do what we do have you found a favorite story so farthat you've heard from any of the girls you don't have to name names. If youdon't want to like an empowering story that you were like wow I, this isawesome and yeah. I do belong here with these women. You know, Umi had a lotfor sure this is my fourth year competing about my first year competingin California but I'd say even justor. Current Miss Yusa Chestli Christ she'scompeting at missiniverse right now and she's taken and past the bar in twostates. You know and is currently a lawyer and the reason why she wasmotivated to do something like padantry. Even while she was in maw school wasbecause she did like a practice, remock trial andkilled it. You know obviously hes great speaker and all those things, but theonly feedback she got was that she should consider wearing the skirt inthe pourt room. Instead of pants, because it would be perceived better asa female, and so she ended up launching this whole women's, fashionable whitecollar Glam line for like women in business and what they should wear andthat was like before she got involked in patrank tree. But then she foundPasron, try and was like. Oh, this is a perfect platform to showcase like whatI believe and what I'm doing and that's kind of like me like what I experiencedin the namy and kind of people telling me I should t't be feminine. I didn'tknow how to get the world word out there and you know how to kind ofshatter that mentality, and then I found pagantry, and I was like Ohhere's a platform to do that. So even she start current, Miss USA, but evenjust that story alone motivates you coul be like she's out there trying toprove that women can do it all it doesn't matter what we're wearing, ifwe're in makeup, if we're not wearing makeup, it's all about confidence, oine the day, and you need to stop kit fitting us into this bubble of what weshould look like, because for me it's I shouldn't, look feminine and I'm beingtold not to wearmakeup for herds. You should wear a skirt, because that wouldbe better in the courtroom like we should just look and be. However, wewant to be at the end of the day. shouldjust take us seriously because wehave a lot to offer period. Absolutely. I wholeheartedly agree with thatmessage right now. I think one of the most beautiful things about living intwo thousand and nineteen a now going into two thousand and twenty is hat.We've had this extreme strike of women who are voicing being more realand being more honest and I've seen a lot of people now who have startedthese galas that, instead of using heels, you can now wear sneakers and solike there's like a sneaker Gallop Movement where women are wearing likethese eou and fall gowns, yeah and wearing you know, tennis shoes versuskeils them. I O still not joining that movement, but, although my feep- that'sfunny yeah extremely excited about you know, moving away from from the heels,I do think that what you said is awesome. You know it's we're movingaway from the stereotype of who you're supposed to be and moving for intoallowing people to just be who they're supposed to be or who they actuallywant to be right, and so an I be exactly it'Sbet like what society istelling us. We should look like or be like it's. You know I want to be in thenavy, and I want to wear Red Lipsick. I should you know as long as they'refollowing regulations in uniform, but you know like if I want to look nicelike, I should be allowed to look nice. I shouldn't feel uncomfortable becauseI'm dressing feminine and that's something though a lot of women in themilitary face like I get messages and it's absolutely insane from women whoare you know, junior in the military and they say they're being pulled asidebecause their body lotion sfells too...

...good, and they shouldn't wear thatanymore, because it's going to affect hell. The men and the unit see them orthey're being told, like you know, not to wear workout clotes to work, becauseyou know when they're working out on their lunch. Ower people are staring atthem or just things like that. Onm, like that's a gay problem like it's ayou problem, not a me problem. likeause, I want to wear a my smelling bath andbody work slution. I should be able to do that and it shouldn't affect yourability to work. So I'm trying to encourage all these women like wherewould you want to wear? Do what you want to do? If you are you know, if youhave that confidence, you bring Tup to work like that, is what Yhou pay off,not how you look on the exterior, but I think it's a really good point thatyou're bringing up is, you know and I'm interested to find out your perspective.Do you think that this is going to last a lot longer in the military right thatwomen are going to have to continue to like under kind of like fly under the radar? Or doyou think that it's just going to continue snowballing and people likeyou will have the opportunity to continue to empower women in themilitary to say you can be? Who You are? You know I mean we're still, obviouslystill serving our country, so what I mean, how is it that it's going to takeaway from what you're doing? I think we're on the cusp of something reallybig, because you know when I joined them navy about nine years ago now it was just like unheard of that youwould be feminine, and I was told my very first week of boot camp with that.You know you sh dno't, wear makeup, you know, don't wear heels shouldn't youshouldn't even purchase your skirt that goes through uniform because you'retrying to do hard to be feminine. Just all of these things that I wasj likewhy, like, I have always loved being feminine and whering makeup, but then,at the end of the day, even in high school, putting my track shoes on andgoing and smoking a the guys like, but doing that with, like you know, fullface of Makeupon, and that was just me like that's how I am but just not toget attention it's not because I need to be know legally blond. It's justthat. I, like you, know, I feel more confident when I'm, but together sojust from that nine years ago, and then I shit it again whenever I reported inmy first ship five years ago, same thing like you need a dial back, howyou look and you know I was the first female standing on board this ship infront of Twenty Six sailors. They never had a female division officer beforeand right then I could be like Ooh. I need to swear up and down, and I needto be all tough funding, O not wear makeup and I'm like tlets on me at theend of the day and so and then I did my job and you know the sailors respectedme still, and I think that's what message ESD to be put out. There isagain, if you're being true yourself. That's all that matters and like yourleadership, will shrine through your confidence, will shine through andultimately what your purposeis that will shine through. So I feel as thoughI'm myself as well as there's other femalesout there spirit heading this message of being feminine and uniform and F. Icould just be a small part of it, then I will be so happy and I do have alittle bit of leverage because I'm a lieutenant in the navy. You know like alot of women out there, don't have a voice because they're not very highranking in the in the military yet or they're just starting out, so theycan't tell a senior ranking officer like screw you I'm gonna, wear lipstick.They have to be like. Oh yes, sir, yes ma'am, like okay, whereas I'm anofficer, I'm Gong to be like who are you to say that I can't do this,so I really do have a voice and I'm going to use it, I'm going to use tlessplatform and I'm going to take it to Miss California- and you know if I winMiss California- that that's even more of an example to set for women, you cando both. You can be on stage and win, Miss California and whereaball gown andbe in the military. From that point...

...forward, people are really not going tohave much to say they can't really say you can't anymore right, yeah. No,that's excollent, that's excellent! I mean that's honestly, that's thedirection in which we need to continue going and like we need pioneers likeyou to continue. Moving that conversation forward and saying who areyou to tell me what I can and I can't do if I want to wear my sweat, pants ormy youge pants to work who care like or it should it should bother you likeright, you need to just learn to live with us being everywhere, becausethat's where Werei you don't need to buy jym shorts down your nees, becauseyou're too afraid people are going to stare at your body like that's sothat's again, that's a day problem not a year problem like and that's what thementality has to shift in our society, and so as individuals. We just need toembrace who we are and just stop worryin about what other people arethinking absolutely. So let me ask you this: How did you get involved in thenavy like what made you wake up one day and say you know what I'm going to gointo the navy? Well, I am an Avy Brat through andthrough. I was born in the Naval Hospital twenty seven years ago, soit's always kind of been in my blood, my dad's Ben, serving the Navy for overthirty years now. But I was one of those people who justthought the navy was not for me. I was way too girly love, shopping anddresses, and I was just like there is not someone in the Mavy that like lookslike me or has the same interest is me. I never saw those women on posters orin videos or anything like that. So I really didn't think that it waslike my speed, but ultimately, at like seventeen, I started looking atdifferent colleges and I've always been the kind of person that wanted to Maxmy potential, no matter what I always want to do like hardest mostchallenging thing, and I ended up touring the US NavalAcademy, an Anapolis Maryland and everyone was in uniform and they werelike marching around and they were saying yes Maam a nosird. I was likewow. This is tough and I just knew right thet in Maor. If I didn't go intothe Navy that I would always wonder what, if I hadn't gone into the Navy, because I could always go to a stateschool or joing a serority and kind of go down that path, but I yeu choosingthe harder path, Ewaus, something I couldn't turn my back to. So that's howand it's been one hundred percent the best decision I ever made in my entirelife. I definitely have had an unconventional career, but I'm gratefulfor it, and I wouldn't change a thing now when you say unconventional. Iremember you talking about your photography. Skills re actually, also atrain photographer it'. So in this kind of sounded like it was the beginning ofhow you started collaborating right, like Ha Tho, begin to build your teamthrough working with others, so want to tell us a little bit about that yeah.Well, it has been unconventional, but it's because I have really like dippedinto multiple pashions outside of the navy and it's insane how it all comesfor full circle. Yeah five years ago, I' always beenreally passionat about photography. I was you know on your bookstaff and athe top OC Sein college and all of those things, but never intended onlike turning it into a business, but I landed myself this amazing mentor whenI was living at Senie California. This was five years ago and you know I hadthis bright flashy new camera and this photographer was at a winerine was likehey like nice camera, you got there. His names bran fender and I was like.Oh thanks he's like. If you want to learn how to use it, I'd be happy toshow you, you know not going to pay you anything, but you can hold my scrimsand follow me at weddings, and I was like well heck, yeah great, so you knowI'm currently serving on a ship at that...

...time, but spending my weekendsfollowing and shadowing this guy, around weddings and learning all theinsand outs of photography and so working with him was how I learned howto run business. No, he was a twenty year experience potographer. He showedme how to operate as a wedding photographer and how to communicatewith clients and how to market yourself and how to get referrals, which allleds to my job now and recruiting now inm the head medical rotoug out here inCalifornia. I just am just taking over that Woll now, but that is what this business is like. Itis marketing and selfmarketing, and referrals and social media andeverything I learned from becoming an entrepreneur, has translated into mycareer in recruiting as well. So it's amazing how you can work with people inall industries and you're teaching yourself skills. You didn't even knowthat you would need later on and your career super cool yeah. I remember whenI first started out in podcasting, which was really literally not even sixmonths ago. Bazy yeah- and you know I- and I don't know if youmind me- sharing with everybody but lik words actually found me, which I thinkis like a testament of one of those things where you're like. Oh, my God,somebody actually is listening out. There is, you know, I'm searchable now,L K, but it's like you said you know you keep keeping yourself open to thesethings where you know you don't know where they're going to lead andsometimes they're not going to pay you anything at the beginning, but in thelong run, can just be such amazing skills that you pick up and you learnand so like and now here I am, you know interviewing you GA exactly. I think the like a lot of people havethis mentality of like what's in it for me like as soon as they strike up aconversation, they're thinking, hous is person going to benefit me hows.This relationship going to benefit me and what you need to realize is justlike, knowing each other and being connected with each other. That'salready benefiting you like. I would have never thought that meeding andshadowing te photographer. What helped me become one of the best recruiters inthe nation in the Navy, like what N, like that Wheddi photographer versuslike medical recruiting, but he did. You know learning that marketing inthose skills is so valuable and there are people out there who are smarterthan you are and doing more than you are and they are more skilled than youare, and you need to have adose that humble pie and just ask questions,because people are so knowledgeable and I promise you if you ask people whatthey're doing they're happy to talk about themselves, they're going toshare their knowledge with you. It's incredible. Absolutely. I think it'sone of those things that she said is like not being afraid to ask thequestions, because remembering that they started at Ground Zero as well atsome point, even if they for it, you have to actually implement and learnhow to do things, and everyone starts at Ground Zero, but people are soafraid of being seeing starting yeah exactly and you know even to go back topageantry. It was my. I was on my first ship and a guy who had previouslyserved on that ship saw that same head, Shat that was being blown up on socialmedia and getting Cyre bulied. He saw that remembered. I served on Sameship.He did he put me in contact with his sister, who was a to time, Miss Americaand MOSSRSA winner, and he just messaged me and goes hey Kelly. Youdon't know me, but I saw your picture. We serve in the same ship havpy to helplike another navy sailor out. Would you want to talk to my sister Erica and Iwas like well, here's something positive that came out of likeovenegativity and Erica has ended up.

She's coachd me all for competitions.All four years. We've actually ended up having a beautiful friendship becauseof it and again like I put it just ignored themessage and een like whatever but like. Thank God. People are out there,slending ahead a hand, and you have to accept it like. I would be an idiot notto be like yes put me on a phone call with your sister Whoas, clearly donesomething right, because she was a former myself Giralana USA. So I know Ihave Toa comcol with her and just kind of wracked, a rein of everything shedid, and that is what has helped me succeed in pagantry. She sent me toevery coach and every mentaor that I needed to talk to O, so people are outthere as resources. You just have to be willing to follow up and you have to bewilling to reach out to them like if you are afraid to do those thingsyou're not going to ever collaborate with anyone. So you mentioned that you had this likecyber bullying instance now, right now, it seems likethe more popular people get on social media. Then more they're dealing withhaving to you know kind of navigate that cyberbullying. What advice would you give to somebody who is going through somethinglike that again? The first thing would be intentlike there's nothing. I post on social media that it isn't coming from apositive, intense, like I'm, trying to either celebrate someone in my life orI'm trying to share a positive message about the navy or I'm trying to likeshow a different side, our personal side of the navy. You know, or I'm Misic, whatever I'm extited, toshare something that iave recently accomplished, but I never just like O. Let me boast aboutthis or let me post a sexual picture or anything like that, and if that's whatyour intention is that's great, but know that you're going to undergonegative comments all the time. So if your intention is positive, justremember that and then it's easier to ignore those comments. But as my following Ros, especially onmy nevy account, I just like overnight. It's like took off, which is awesomebut, like you said, with any sort of following I have about. Eleven thousandfollowers on my navy account their comments every day from Tay Sayers andpeople who pick apart my exterior people who pick upart my uniform theyFoku bout. My looks like people just literally just like woo today, I'mgoing to attack something about Litena Hall and that's fine like if that islike what you're doing with your time. All I can do is pray for you because,like you really need to find other hobbies, but like I'm still going tocontinue preaching methenavy and all the importunities- and you know talkingabout Miss California and my love being feminine and kind of this message Ifeel like is in my heart, because that is why or how I feel most powerful andI'm not going to. Let people take that power away from me, so you have to ignore. I don't look at mycomments that often, unless they're work related, I never check my views. Inever look at whos like to my photos. I never look at any of those thingsbecause that is when you start kind of like picking a part o like I can'tblive Thap Firsing Tin, like my picture or like I can't bith tha commented thatthing or whatever, and I delete the night IV coments and I blockd thepeople who say something really mean like get out of here. So it's going tohappen, but again, when it bois down to that intent, Andi something positive,then it's not going to keep you awake atnight. Were you always this positive, likeempowered woman, or was there ever a moment where you were like Kelly? Yougot to get this life together, girl, honestly, I don't think I was born like confidencand inspired and empowered. I think I was really really lucky to have parentswho encouraged me and kind of instilled...

...this confidence in me is specificallymy mom. She was the type of mom that, like she did not care what peoplethought and did not care what the other girls are wearing at school and wouldnot. Let me be upset about people's comments because, like I would comehome Bo like mom people say I'm dirty because, like Istudy so much or people are telling me, I can't rea make up on the track teamor you know I'm getting made fun of, because I used to like wear blazers toschool, because I felt more confident when I would take tests and it shouldbe like Kelly Hall. You can wear that makeup and you will run faster than allof them and you just show them how it's done. I'm like yeah you're right,you're right like I'm, going to do it and then shed be like you. You dress,like you're interviewing for a job D. You go in there and you take that testlike you are like your whole career depends on it and you're going to walkout with your Chinup and I'm like okay great. So I would just walk aroundschool with my little briefcase and the biggest smile, and you know peoplewould make their comments, but eventually it just became Oh, like ofcourse, Kelly is wearing that or like that's just Kelly Yor. You know I'mdressing like Kelly Hall today, you know and and it ceame somethingpositive, because I was like I'm I'm just going Ta. Look this way. I'm justgoing to do my thing and it doesn't matter. So I'm really grateful that shetaught me that it be onage because eventually like now, I'm I'm still that way, and Istill have people like make their comments and you know maybe saysomething negative, but I'm like you know what I'm still going to do mything and doesn't matter so I try to be that person for other people who didn'thave a mom. That maybe was that encouraging and when I have women whoreach out to me that say, like I'm, being attacks for how I look or I beingtold I should do a pagean or I'm being told, I shouldn't start a business, I'mlike hey you do it, I'm here to tell you that you can and you will and youhave the Opportuo to do it and for people who don't know like I'll,be that mentor for them so again with he collaboration, I'm always happy toYo that person for them. I was just licky to kind of be born into a familyof mentorship. So what has been or who has been your strongest mentor so farother than your mom? Oh I mean I just have mentors in everyarea of my life like, and I think that's what you need to dowhenever you, especially for me and multipassionate, but so I'm not sayingeveryone needs to have five mentors. U, I probably have about five mintors,because I model and I run a business and I'm competing an pageants and I'min the Navy, not an overteer at all. Honestly, I wouldn't even say: There'sbeen like a mentor that outranks the rest. I would say honestly it's the NASAYERS who stillgive me the biggest push every day like every time. I'mlike like that's something I shouldn't do I'm like wait. Why? Why should'? Ido that because there's people out there who agroup me that I shouldn't bedoing this or that and every time I see those negative comments or every timeI'm told no like that only motivates me further toprove them. Yes, yes, I can do it and, yes, you cando it all and you can do both. So I say at the end of the day, what motivatesme the most or the people who don't believe in me, but I'm very gratefulfor the people who have believed in me, because I kind of do without them. It'samazing. So what would you say? Are Your top two tips now you've beensharing a lot of really awesome pieces about collaboration, but what would yousayare your tap to tips that you want people to know when it comes down topicking people that they want to collaborate with how to continue thatrelationship with them once they have...

...started working with them? Well, first, I would say: Don't beafraid to reach out- and I genuinely mean this- like people want to help you, so you don'tant instagram. Sometimes it is difficult to message, someone withtwentythouzand followers and say: Hey I'd, love to shadow you, because Ipromise you you're one of seventy people. That's telling them the samething so be a little humble and reach out to maybe someone who ask less of afollowing. Just because they're don an instagram famous person doesn't meanthey're, less knowledgeable. It just means that maybe they spent more timein their career than posting on social media, so reach out to people and don't stopuntil you find someone who's knowledgeable in that career field putsspecifically in your area, because you want to find someone who is in your city, you can get lunch with.You can get dinner with you can shadow with them, so that would be first and foremostreaching out, but second take a steff back and realize you have to startsomewhere. I did not get paid for a single shoot when I was shadowing brandfor the first two years in San Ieo, so I didn't like thirty weddings with himor something crazy. I didn't get paid for any of those times, but I mean Iwas having this experienced. You know, subject matter expert, tell me everysetting, I should have my camera on and everything he's using and how to shootand how to find lighting and how to pose your clients. Like do you know, Hoexpensive classes are on all those things like. I basically racked hisbrain from like Photography University and he helps we ith. All those things so some people think that when they'restarting a business like, I should get paid right away like, I can't believetyoy're going to make me come here for free and shoot with them or they're.Asking me to model for free, like I've done a ton of modeling sessions forFREIG and yeah. I had other ones where I got paid, but guess what like I'monly Goingna get better. If I, if I collaborate with other people and a lotof times, you're collaborating for free, so just kind of have that expectation and those partnerships and thoseconnections sometimes will get you paid work later on, but jus always have anopen mind of partner with people and don't expect to get paid right away. I think that's a good point. We just recently started letting uppodcasters, which is a community yeah on instagram and facebook. On facebook,we have a private group that we're growing currently, but on Instagram,we've made it to five five hundred followers and like a mon and so for me,whether whether that's a good thing or not, I'm celebrating every little mildstone,along with I used to be really bad at that. Not Celebrating that givingenough credit for, like, like you, said, the little things where it's like.Maybe we are doing things for free, but there are these like mild stones whereyou could see your progressive growth. Even when you are thanks for free and luckily you know, we highlight apodcastor a day. Sorry, not o day a week and one of thepodcasters that I just so happend to have highlighted that week reached outand was like hey. Do you want to go speak somewhere about what you guys aredoing, and I was like absolutely like yeah tell sign me up tomorrow, and soshe started talking to everybody else because of the collaboration that wehad for her coming on and doing a live video for our community. She was alsoable to talk to other people about what we're moving forward with. You knowthose little mildstones that have along the way and that's the best form ofmarketing, is when other people can talk. For you and say you know, thesepeople are starting something there's something there. Whether they're, youknow at the beginning, stages, right or...

...like Kelly's is amazing model who'sgoing to just goitg to continue growing or you know pageant, but she also doesthese all. So it's like all these things that, in the long run, willeventually get you paid. You know it's all about the learning and buildingblocks along the way, so I think it's very important, like you said, to notbe afraid to ask questions and also make sure that you understand thatcollaborating most of the time is free, but with the return of the reward thateventually, it won't be right, so eactly very important. I Mak this otherphotographer a photo shoot. I was modeling for, andI was just so impressed by her. I was like she's just a killer, so of courseI got her instagram. Anyone I'm ever pessed by always give their instagram,because I'm happy to refer them to other people, but I also you know,obviously going to reach out tof them eventually. So I got her informationand found out the shoot that I did that I modeled for she wasn't getting paid,for. She was just like a friend of a friend and was like, Oh like thatsounds fun because it was first freetanning and her name's Jacqueline so anyways. Iended up lenting her work so much that I referred her to a bride to be who wasplanning a wedding the following year, and I was like Hey Christian, youshould totally look at her photography. She ended up holking, her Bolm rightthere, lite paid gid, and so she later, you know, found me again on socialmediam was like hey thanks. So much for the referral like it's insane. I didthis one photo shoot for free. I met you and you later referred me to abride to be Bo. Like you know, that's where that that free work comes in andthat collaboration comes in because, if you're, just stuck in business andyou're, always just booking clients, book Lides, booken clients, sometimesthe best people to me are the ones that you shoot for free because they aregoing to love their experience and me more than Likele to talk about itbecause they're like hey, I just jus, break shoot with Kelly. She was amazingLoll at all these photos. I did and then she'll post, that to the world orsure as the world, where sometimes paid clients are just like loven my photos.You know they don't necessarily have that same energy about what they justdid with you. So that's definitely a great point to keep in mind about kindof working for free, sometimes ut. I think you brought up a good point toabout the energy portion of it like I've noticed this at least when itcomes down to collaborating with some podcasters or you know, doing different episodes,because this is how podcasting also grows as well is where, like one personwill be on one podcast and in turn, they'll do another episode with thatsame person for their podcast is so you like you're, almost cross marketingwith each other, and it's almost like you get more excitement out ofcollaborating with them versus just doing an episode by yourself orsomebody you know or sponsorships or whatever the case may be. I mean I onpaid work, but it's almost like the excitement and the energy is more therefor people to be like yeah. Let's do this, you know like whatcan. What can Ido for you? How can I help you and in term we a each other out, and so you know it's definitely that energythat momentum, that you get when you're when you're helping people so well.People should think about collaborations like a web like anytimeyou're, including more people in a project who all have their own networks.Wo All have your own social media, followings Y. No, I have ansense, Ibackground into bet coordinating as well, and I know just you know, ordercookies from Walmart like boom cheap, ten dollars. I usually would bring inlike a local bakery and say: Hey like let's just quict Proquo like if youprovide this amount. For this event, I'm happy to give you social mediapostand put business cards out at the event. Ihave forty people come to the eventwho ave now picked up and ate and...

...posted about their adorable cookies.You know, whereas I could have easily just gone like a big marketplace andgot something you know: fat's cheap, so every time you're doing that likebringing in people bringing in small businesses bringing in their networksthat there's an opportunity to collaborate, always always shoud, butpeople don't think about it. I don't know why, but like we're alls businessowners here, like let's empower each other and build each others that workso important. Absolutely I mean that's one of the biggest the oneit stilltoday to this day, right, like one of the biggest forms of marketing, is wordof Mouth, Oh yeah for sure so, like we have like social media. Now, it'sanother form of word of mouth, because people will post just when they likestuff like yes, people will post also when they're getting paid, but you canusually tell, but I feel like like I'm sponsored by a couple brands, but thenI'm also not sponsored by a lot of brands, but at think of the day, peopleare like wait. What are you wearing? What do you osing and I'm like? I justlove it like. I just think it's amazing, and so people like yeah, like that,looks really great, and then they always you know, follow up teme, oppurchasing it, because again it's all about that energy. When you really lovesomething so people pick up on that for sure, yeah, so unique collaborations and makingsure that you're using the right amount of energy right. Yes, Yes for sure IT'SYEAL! Well, I want to thank you so much for coming on the show, but before wesign off, I want to ask you a quick question. Yes, so if tomorrow youwalked out of the door and somebody told you you had ten million dollars inyour bank account. What would you do with the Money Huh? My goodness I forgot you were going to ask me this. I mean the first thing that comes to mymind. Is You know I really that the whole pointof me doing this? California is because you know I want to extend this messagespecifically to women, about not just empowering them, but howto even find that power like we are all capable of being powerful people, andwe all are passionate people. We just may not ee realize what we'repassionate about. I didn't realize that I love photography and off and thenlater became ha business center. I would love to either start my morningshow like my dreams to host this today. ShowI've always wanted to start in a morning show but use that two milliondollars sto et out. There speak ing in front of women kind of become aprofessional motivational speaker, but at the end of the day, help women feelmore confident fee more powered, and I bet the ten million dollars would helpme launch that project. So if I could help just get into people'sworlds and just shake them up and realize that they are all superboermazing things, that would be pretty awesome. Well, I'm glad that that's what youwould do, because I just ge Ong with the theme of this Podcastacty, I man tomilliondoars uld, be awesome. Give me a camera crui right now. I know s grace well Kelly. It has been such a pleasureto have you on this show today. Why don't you? Let us know how people canget in touch with you on social media to follow you so that they can see yourjourney along in the navy and also on your journey tobe miss. California thanks. I still get so excited to hear that. I hope itcomes true, so my personal account is Kelly. Rene Hall and my Navy Account IsLieutenant Hall. My photography account is Kelli Roa photography, but you haveany questions. FEFORDA re, shout s me an my fersonal acount Kelly Benihol.I'm always open to any messages that come my way awesome now. Do you haveanything else you want to say before we sign UF, I don't think so. Just I mean...

I hope people listen this message andreally take the advice seriously. When you and I are doing, is you knownothing difficult? It's not textbook. It's not. You know, Mi t level material,it we're just normal people who collaborate with otheir businesses andyou know, help each other grow. So we all have that capability. So hopefullypeople really take this advice because there's a real potential for everyoneto grow and collaboration absolutely well Kelly. Thanks again for coming onthe show and good luck with Misusa now I' Miss California. I said Miss You. Isay that might be the next inmin. This Yoususo Ucrayou're welcome thanks for tuning into empowerment andall that podcast with your host Ry Abou Tista want to help me grow the listenertribe, make sure to subscribe to this podcast and follow us on instagram andfacebook under empowerment, and all that and remember, keep it positive ordon't keep it at all.

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